|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (119) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 3:31 p.m.|
Yes I do think Jesus being the agent was a possibility and we know it was a possibility because of Ridley's interview. But he then went on to say it was too on the nose. So I think they moved away from that and are looking to something else. The movie incorporates many of the mythos that religions have created because it has to. If you think about our history and creating a scifi universe, you have to delve into why humans worship, why they yearn for answers and religion is a means to that. So from a writing and character standpoint, Shaw makes sense why she has the cross, why she is impregnated, etc. I don't think the sequel will touch as much on actual religious references, only incorporate them as this one did to help solidify the story Ridley and Lindelof are telling.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (115) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 3:17 p.m.|
500whpSRT4 posted...I think some people are grasping for straws saying that the engineers are mad because we killed the real god... The whole point of the movie is to search for the real god and Ridley even said he was interested in Greco-roman mythology rather than judeo-Christian. So no, they are not mad because we killed Jesus.
Elizabeth certainly embodies Christianity in this film, but that is meant for Elizabeth's character and not necessarily the overall film. I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that Ridley Scott is trying to create a universe in which Christianity is actually the answer to the questions. He has said Shaw will go on an adventure in the sequel to find out why they hate us, but I would bet a huge amount against it being, "we killed jesus and the real god"
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (112) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 3:07 p.m.|
|I think some people are grasping for straws saying that the engineers are mad because we killed the real god... The whole point of the movie is to search for the real god and Ridley even said he was interested in Greco-roman mythology rather than judeo-Christian. So no, they are not mad because we killed Jesus.|
|Prometheus >>> Avatar (7) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 12:45 p.m.|
|Hate for avatar is nonsensical. It is a fun scifi movie with classic tales of character and conflict. Prometheus is a scifi thriller that poses larger than life questions and themes. I love both. Honestly saying James Cameron is a fool when it comes to scifi is just stupid. |
His resume consists of:
All of which are incredible scifi movies especially Aliens and T2.
|prometheus has better 3d, and better atmosphere than avatar (7) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 11:16 a.m.|
|I think they are on par with one another. Avatar used it in better more immersive ways than Prometheus but Prometheus' quality was fantastic. Spiderman looks to be the best yet though...|
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (79) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 11:12 a.m.|
Does anyone remember how long the dead space jokey from Alien was dead? I'm not sure if they even mentioned it in the movies, but I seem to remember them saying something about him being "fossilized," implying he was there for a long time.
I do not remember but it is interesting to find out that about 30 years separate Prometheus and Alien. I feel like they did say that the space jockey in Alien was fossilized so that would mean it has been there probably before Prometheus took place.
Which would mean that the xenomorph on the wall was encountered by the engineers and maybe they were running from them which is why the space jockey's ship from Alien crashed...
|Prometheus is the biggest disappointment of the year. (Major Spoilers) (41) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 11:09 a.m.|
|Prometheus will be remembered as an all time great scifi movie. Just wait. The sequel will establish why this movie is so great.|
People that do not enjoy it are just wanting things to be handed to them without much thinking. 2001 Space Od was the same situation and decades later it is a classic.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (77) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 10:27 a.m.|
From: 500whpSRT4 | #353
Well I think we are supposed to think of the opening scene as separate from the rest of the movie. It is a creation scene that Ridley Scott has stated resembles a sacrificial creation story from Greco-Roman religions.
The black goo we see later is from a weapons installation and is a contaminant.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (73) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 10:19 a.m.|
|No because the goo from the weapons lab causes the engineers to go crazy and their heads explode as seen by the one they bring back to the ship and the pile of bodies whose heads are blown open. The zombie human also has the same enlarging of the head that would explode over time as well. |
The goo in the beginning was clearly meant to breakdown the DNA and not the same as we later see.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (70) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 9:48 a.m.|
500whpSRT4 posted..._Spin_Cycle_ posted...If given enough time and not burnt alive, I feel like he would have followed the same path...
No there is nothing on what David has said to the engy. Although Ridley Scott, the writers and even Michael Fassbender have acknowledged that they do know what he said... Maybe a legendary Scott directors cut will shed some light.
|Senasational Amazing Spider-man clips. (2) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 9:47 a.m.|
|I have no idea what you are trying to say (sarcastically or not) but this movie actually does look incredible.|
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (68) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 9:41 a.m.|
|I am going to see this a second time tomorrow so I am hoping to have some smaller questions resolved just by picking up on some specific dialogue or scenes.|
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (66) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 9:04 a.m.|
If given enough time and not burnt alive, I feel like he would have followed the same path...
But the black goo from the beginning broke the engineer's DNA down completely. The black goo from the weapons research seemed to zombify the contaminated.. at first I thought it was one goo, but now I feel like it may just be 2 separate goos.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (63) | Posted on June 9, 2012, 8:26 a.m.|
|No I think it is very possible they were different types of black goos.|
I also want to remind everyone that the zombie dude infected with black goo and Halloway are no different from each other... Both were sick just like the decapitated engineer whose head eventually exploded. There was a pile of dead engineers whose heads were blown open (I am sure over time the zombie guy's head would have exploded if you see how big it was getting). He was enraged just like the guy in the holograms chasing his fellow engineers. Halloway was just exposed to a smaller dose and was not reacting to it as quickly. If given enough time and not burnt alive, I feel like he would have followed the same path...
|Ridley Scott's Prometheus vs James Cameron's Aliens (4) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 3:18 p.m.|
|Aliens, but Prometheus will be like wine, as it ages it just gets better and better.|
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (26) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 3:17 p.m.|
I just read the interview posted above. After reading that, I believe the engineer/space jockey was sacrificed in order to create humans. But since he was suprised IDK if he knew what would happen. Maybe he was a terraformer who thought it was just a vitamin or something. And why was the surviving pilot not killed while in stasis? Did he shut the door on the decapitated infected space jockey/engineer and then place himself in stasis?
Well that chamber room with the mural and the vases did they ever show a door out of there? Because you see those few engineers run in there and close the door on the infected engineer, but where did they end up?
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (19) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:46 p.m.|
What I am trying to get at is we are told in the movie that the engineers are upset with us and they are creating weapons of mass destruction. So why would the goo actually be a pro-life device rather than an anti-life device?
That is definitely a possibility. I am just having a hard time reconciling why the opening scene shows that black goo as being a clear indicator of creating life, and then later on the planet we are told that it is a weapon of mass destruction. Maybe they are 2 different black goo. But I feel like the filmmakers were being clear about the surprised look on the engineers face when the virus starts to takeover his body. Idk maybe that is just reading into it too much.
What we do know is that the engineers wanted us to come find them (left starmaps), grew angry with us for some reason, created bioweapons and a goo virus that spawns parasitic life, and also kept a mural of the xenomorph on the wall.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (17) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:42 p.m.|
one thing we have to consider is that the derelict ship in Alien 1 has the egg nest for the facehuggers and so the queen does originate from there.
we will have to see as to where shaw and david travel and where that proto xenomorph ends up. but part of me believes that the squidhugger did produce the queen because the chestbursters from Alien were much smaller when they left the body.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (14) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:21 p.m.|
my theory or question rather, is would is be plausible that Shaw and David escape on another vessel and the proto xenomorph that bursts at the end follows them onto it and is in fact the queen that begins the infestation?
one thing we have to consider is that the derelict ship in Alien 1 has the egg nest for the facehuggers and so the queen does originate from there.
My thought was that the queen and the giant squidhugger are linked...maybe Shaw or any female body is meant to create the "queen" version of the species. So that is why rather than just having it be a small snake like hugger (like what we see kill the 2 men left behind) it is actually a huge monstrosity. Ultimately all we know is that Shaw did produce the proto xenomorph because she produced the squidhugger.
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (11) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:16 p.m.|
maybe because they wanted us to find them with the pictograms they left of that bioweapon planet. Maybe when David says, "to create sometimes you have to destroy" is in reference to humanity. Maybe the engineers created humans and needed them to come to test in order to create organisms that would thrive off of humans (xenomorphs clearly reproduce from humans/engineers)..
So the engineers grew restless waiting for us while we were busy waging war rather than innovating quickly enough for space travel. Us not reaching the planet quickly enough resulted in an outbreak that caused the engineers to fast track plans and bring the bioweapon to earth. I am sure they wanted to keep the experiments controlled rather than infecting all of earth, but since we were too slow...no choice
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (10) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:13 p.m.|
I have not listened to any official info the creators may have explained in interviews or anything, but this is mostly what me and my group of friends were discussing after the movie.
Agreed, I love discussing movies and games like this.
As for the infected engineer and the infected crew member of Prometheus (Fifiel or something)...why are they infected by the goo if it was meant to create life? So if they create this virus that is meant to spread life, why would it have ties to the xenomorph that is clearly displayed on the wall and eventually comes from Shaws facehugger? What I am trying to get at is we are told in the movie that the engineers are upset with us and they are creating weapons of mass destruction. So why would the goo actually be a pro-life device rather than an anti-life device?
Also, the pictograms pictured clearly show the installation from which the engineers were developing the bioweapons. That is how prometheus found the moon. So why did the engineers want us to come find them? Was it to experiment with the humans that did arrive? Did they grow tired and angry that we were taking too long?
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (8) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:03 p.m.|
As for the message being picked up by the Nostromo, I don't think so. The distress signal came from LV-425. Prometheus took place on a different planet. I forget the number offhand. I think that signal was sent by the Engineers on the nearby LV-425 that also experienced an attack by the xenomorphs. Or maybe the xenomorphs traveled to that planet to kill more Engineers and breed. Who knows. Hopefully, the sequel will answer many of these questions.
LV223 is the planet they are on in prometheus I think. I know it is a different planet, my theory or question rather, is would is be plausible that Shaw and David escape on another vessel and the proto xenomorph that bursts at the end follows them onto it and is in fact the queen that begins the infestation?
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (7) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 12:02 p.m.|
1) The guy playing that Engineer was cast as "Sacrifice Engineer". He said in an interview that the character he played drank a liquid that dissolved him into the water and enabled to set the "building blocks" for life to develop on Earth.
1) That makes a lot of sense.
2) Why would it be Shaw that gave life to such a giant face hugger rather than the smaller ones that killed the 2 men left behind? I know one of them comes back and is infected...but what about Shaw is special? The fact she is a woman? Was the engineer the reason why the proto xeno was created or could it have been anything?
3) Do they have the same DNA because of the black goo, or are they originally of the same DNA? Another poster makes a good point talking about the goo breaking down pieces of DNA which is why the infected head they bring back to the ship matches our DNA (which the first scene of the movie shows the engineer breaking down from the black goo to create life).
|Lets figure Prometheus out... TOGETHER! SPOILERS! (1) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 8:50 a.m.|
|Ok so a huge group of us went to the midnight release last night and walked away happy but with many questions. Lets start laying out and theorizing:|
1) The opening scene with the engineer seemingly standing on an earth-like planet drinks a black liquid that later returns as the basis for these parasites.
-What is this liquid? It seems to show up affecting different species in different ways. The Engineers were broken down by it (opening scene and the severed head). The guy who fell into it with his helmet melted was turned into a superhuman zombie. It also seems to speed up growth for the parasites.
-Was he trying to commit suicide or spread life? The massive ship above seemed to be leaving him behind for whatever reason. He seemed surprised by the fact he was falling apart no? Also, the writers have to be smart enough to know that dumping DNA into water does not equate to creating life.
2) The xenomorph on the wall/mural.
-what is the significance here? Is this implying that the xenomorphs already existed and the engineers worshiped them (maybe they fought long ago and the engineers wanted to become or recreate them)? Or is this mural similar to what you see in an architects room where he has his plans for his building sculpted and laid out...maybe the mural is what they want to build (like concept art).
3) Accidental genetic mixtures or a predesigned plan?
-Does the xenomorph that we see in the end come from a designed plan that involved the needing of human DNA? If so, why would they need our DNA if we have exact matching DNA? Were they creating lab rats (humans) to host and breed their weapon?
OR, is the xenomorph nothing more than a random string of events - David finds bioweapon material and gives to Halloway, he impregnates Shaw and she delivers a large squid like face hugger which then implants into an engineer.
-The chest bursters for xenomorphs were much smaller than the xenomorph that comes from the engineer? Are we meant to believe that is the queen? Or are we meant to assume that because the face hugger was bigger, the engineer was bigger, that it could produce a more full grown xeno before leaving the body?
-Are there more than 1 type of species from those different containers? You see worms on the ground (which eventually become the reptile that attacks the biologist), you see the big squid that David tricked Halloway into drinking. There is a massive cargo room with thousands of vases that led me to believe there were many different types of experimental species going on...but why would they have the xenomorph on the wall if this was the case? Was it all an attempt to create the xenomorph as the end goal?
4) Why do they want to kill us?
-Did we mess up their plan in anyway? The engineer David wakes up immediately begins killing everyone. David seems to know this is going to happen which is why he brings Weyland to his death.
5) What agenda (if any) does David have?
-There are many shots that would lead us to believe he has an agenda outside of Weylands... including taking the biocanister and implanting Halloway.
6) Shaw's message to space.
-Was this picked up incorrectly by Nostromo in Alien? In Alien you find out it was not in fact a distress call, but a warning message that they could not fully uncover.
|For those that have seen it, Rate: Prometheus (15) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 7:09 a.m.|
|No credits scene. |
As an average moviegoer... 7/10
As an alien and Ridley fan...9/10
As a scifi fan... 10/10
|So... That first scene of Prometheus *spoilers* (15) | Posted on June 8, 2012, 7:05 a.m.|
|That planet clearly looks more foreign than it does earth. And I don't know how much biology people are familiar with but water and some dna strains don't result in life...that guy in the beginning was clearly attempting something while that ship was above and flying off.|
|Django Unchained Trailer Official (1) | Posted on June 7, 2012, 10:41 a.m.|
Looks great as expected.
|Just watched Alien (SPOILERS FOR 1979 MOVIE ALIEN) (12) | Posted on June 6, 2012, 12:38 p.m.|
|Aliens is not better than Alien. Two different types of movies but both are examples of pinnacle filmmaking.|
|Just watched Alien (SPOILERS FOR 1979 MOVIE ALIEN) (8) | Posted on June 6, 2012, 11:29 a.m.|
|Alien is incredible. If you do not enjoy that movie...I just... |
Seriously though, Alien is an all time great that even to this day has its place among the best movies of all time. Everything was done so perfectly and the smallest things (like the Alien hanging from the chains) that you pick up on are what make it so eerie and terrifying.
|Avengers vs TDK (26) | Posted on June 2, 2012, 9:11 a.m.|
While TDK had a more serious tone to it (read: took its self too seriously) and had marginally better acting, The Avengers I found to be much more enjoyable and satisfying.
well you had some good points up until you used sales to relate to quality. Justin Beiber has tons of sales but he is not even remotely the best musician. Call of Duty is the highest selling game for the past 4 years straight, but has not been the best.
Just because the Avengers sells more doesnt mean it is better. It has 3D surchages, 4 years of inflation, etc.
Is avengers a better comic book movie that more people enjoy than Nolans Batman films? Probably.
Should we compare TDK and Avengers? No. The only thing you can compare is which is a bigger blockbuster and that would be the Avengers but that says nothing about quality between the two, only the appeal.
|Avengers vs TDK (21) | Posted on June 2, 2012, 8:15 a.m.|
|TDK is NOT a superhero movie. Batman was rarely even featured in TDK. It was a crime thriller focused around the Joker and the ancillary characters that had to stop him (or support him). That takes nothing away from its merits. Nolan never wanted to make a superhero movie. He wanted to make a compelling drama that featured Batman and his characters. He succeeded. |
Whedon wanted to make a classic interpretation of a fun superhero movie. He succeeded.
Why even argue this? Critically they both sit at the same level because of what I just said...
|Dark Knight marathon event happening at AMC theaters on July 19 (3) | Posted on June 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m.|
|As long as I can see TDKR in IMAX at midnight I would be down for a marathon.|
|Avengers vs TDK (11) | Posted on June 2, 2012, 12:05 a.m.|
That's quite the excuse (and mental gymnastics) for why people are saying they prefer TDK, 500whp.
no it is what it is.... Too often people (especially forum users) will try and objectify a movie based on the quality of its plot and characters rather than accomplishing its mission statement.
Avengers is a superhero teamup movie. There is a reason critics rate it the same as TDK. Because it accomplishes many things other movies of the same genre fail to do. TDK is not a superhero movie and therefore is judged on different merits. That is why it is also critically praised as it does things many other films fail to do well.
See how logic works?
TDK & Avengers are not same type of movie, therefore TDK cannot be < or > than Avengers. Both are exceptional films for entirely different reasons. Your personal opinions will vary.
Me...I like both equally. If I want a more serious, emotionally impactful experience I will see a Nolan film. If I want coherent action and lighthearted fun I will see the Avengers. Simple.
|Avengers vs TDK (6) | Posted on June 1, 2012, 11:46 p.m.|
|These topics and discussions are always so trivial and overdone...|
Anyway... if you are going to ask this kind of question, at least be honest in what you are asking.
You need to ask, which is the better superhero movie and which is the better drama movie. Because the Avengers is the better superhero movie, but TDK is the better drama movie.
It is honestly like comparing Aliens and Casa Blanca. Both are widely praised, but for entirely different reasons. Avengers gives you what you need from a superhero movie (big set pieces, simple plot, fun dialogue and screenplay) while TDK gives you emotional depth, story and characters.
I understand the inherent want to compare TDK and Avengers, but honestly, TDK is not a superhero movie. Avengers is. Therefore they should not be compared.
|Forget TDK dropping to #4 domestic. DH Part 2 is dropping to #4 worldwide (8) | Posted on June 1, 2012, 10:07 p.m.|
|There was absolutely a small rerelease right before oscar season (early winter). |
That is what pushed the movie over $1billion.
|Why wasn't Batman in the Avengers movie? (3) | Posted on June 1, 2012, 1:24 p.m.|
|Batman is owned by vertigo comics which a store in NYC that sells watchmen and V for Vendetta figurines. No way they could afford to put Batman in avengers. Maybe they can afford to put him in Amazing Spiderman.|
|C/D: A Non-James Cameron movie will eventually pass Avatar in the future. (10) | Posted on May 31, 2012, 7:35 p.m.|
|Yes but not for a LONG time. And I mean a LONG time.|
|Battleship: Epic Fail? (29) | Posted on May 31, 2012, 7:32 a.m.|
From: ImDyinSquirtle | #027
It was funny as because it was just atrocious writing, terrible acting and incoherent all around. The movie was just a big budget scifi channel flick.
Any transformers movie was better than Battleship. Even 2.
|Your top 3 movies this year thus far? (4) | Posted on May 30, 2012, 9:14 p.m.|
2. The Grey
3. 21 Jump Street
|Battleship: Epic Fail? (17) | Posted on May 30, 2012, 9:13 p.m.|
|battleship was not better than transformers. not by a long shot. |
anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
The movie was clearly meant to be taken seriously at times (do you think Pete Berg made senior citizens a joke and not serious)? This movie was an atrocity. Asylum level quality..
|Number of times you've seen The Avengers in theaters (2) | Posted on May 30, 2012, 1:22 p.m.|
I am sure I will see it again in 2D and then again when it hits discount theaters.
|Will Smith is still the most bankable actor in the world (9) | Posted on May 28, 2012, 8:56 p.m.|
|Will Smith is "statistically" speaking the most bankable actor in the world. He has 12 $100m+ grossing films which is far ahead of 2nd place Tom Cruise (9). So yes, he is the most bankable and is still the most bankable.|
|Is the Spiderman 6 min preview before MIB3 worth it? (2) | Posted on May 27, 2012, 10:28 p.m.|
|Its worth every penny. 3d for spiderman is on par with avatar and the movie looks amazing. Go to IMAX.|
|Anyone see 6min preview of Spidey before MIB3? (3) | Posted on May 25, 2012, 9:13 a.m.|
No but we got a new, weird trailer for Prometheus that was clearly setting up Idris Elba as the star of the movie. That took me by surprise.
wow that is really strange. I had no idea there was even a new Prometheus trailer out there...
|Anyone see 6min preview of Spidey before MIB3? (1) | Posted on May 25, 2012, 8:14 a.m.|
|This is supposed to be in IMAX 3D theaters before MIB3, but I was not sure if it was like TDKR prologue where it was only "true" IMAX locations that had it. |
If anyone saw it post here with location and type of IMAX
|Is battleship that bad (7) | Posted on May 25, 2012, 8:13 a.m.|
|its so bad that its entertaining. I would say 6/10 for value of $, and 2/10 for quality of movie.|
|Is The Avengers still on track to becoming the highest grossest film? (8) | Posted on May 23, 2012, 5:31 p.m.|
|No chance of touching Titanic or Avatar numbers domestically or woldwide. |
Cameron releases when he knows he will have the product and screens to demand the audiences attention. That can only happen in the summer for about 2 weeks (maybe 3-4 if you are lucky). Then you start losing screens and marketing material to competitors tentpole films.
To say that Avatar or Titanic only hit those numbers because they werent released in summer is foolish. They are films that transcend the medium and that is why they gross so much.
|Battleship was the worst movie I have seen in years... (33) | Posted on May 23, 2012, 9:40 a.m.|
-Aliens can travel thru space but most advanced weaponry is a football punted canister that has no targeting system
Uh... did you miss the part where those "canisters" were rolling around town crushing everything in their path, and then stopping in front of a little kid to access whether he was a threat to them?
Did you miss the part where I was referring to the canisters that were literally punted and shot into the battleships to explode? They had no targeting system...
|Battleship was the worst movie I have seen in years... (27) | Posted on May 22, 2012, 10:58 a.m.|
I like how the TC hates the impossible physics in Battleship and says "I should have seen Avengers again instead," like Avengers is so realistic. Remember when Hulk punches that giant flying reptile thing? I hate to tell you, but unless his feet were somehow anchored to the ground, Hulk would have just bounced off the front of it like a bug on a windshield.
The whole point of the Avengers involves physics we do not understand...did you see Thor or see the opening scene of the Avengers...Dr Selvig cannot even explain the physics. So immediately you are told to suspend your belief in anything grounded in what we know as reality.
Also Hulk is a super powerful creature and the whole point of that scene is to show you just how powerful he is. It is a classic crowd pleasing scene where people cheer because of its awesomeness.
Battleship did nothing. It does not set you up to suspend disbelief. Hulk is a fake creature operating outside of what we know as science. A battleship moving thru the water with an anchor is clearly defined by our laws of physics. The anchor would break or the coral/rockbed below would just breakoff. The whole bow of the ship wouldnt just turn sideways.
Terrible movie, but it was terrible enough for great laughs so none of us were upset with having paid to see it.
|Battleship was the worst movie I have seen in years... (21) | Posted on May 21, 2012, 6:30 p.m.|
|Shadow Cloud posted...|
-Senior citizens coming out of the woodwork like ninjas to save the day
What? That concept alone would make for a great movie.
There were laughs. And it was great.