|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (196) | Posted on March 30, 2012, 8:59 a.m.|
|i do not understand what from software was thinking with armored core v.|
for those of you who have not played it, basically the online centers around capturing territories. you set up defenses for these places and let them sit. opponents can come in and try to break your defenses, deplete your resources, and eventually capture it for themselves.
well there's a problem. to actually defend a place you have to sit on the mission screen, readied up, and hope that the other team attacks. there is no scramble button. there is no notification that your stuff is under attack other than going in through the menu and checking obsessively. this also works against you on offense since a team can make you constantly re-enter a territory, slowly working its defenses down against ai turrets, until you either are almost there (at which point they actually may defend) or give up.
basically the best defense is not to play defense at all. just attack stuff. unfortunately this really cool awesome mech game has become turret destroyer: the game.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (180) | Posted on March 29, 2012, 11:21 a.m.|
|none taken, i know it to be true. excellent post.|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (173) | Posted on March 29, 2012, 8:51 a.m.|
|dynasty i think you seriously overrate gamers' abilities to say no. just look at the hundreds of failed internet boycotts for games. it just isn't likely to happen because people will do whatever the corporations want to make sure they get their fix of fpses.|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (165) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 7:34 p.m.|
|In other news asuras wrath didn't sell well enough for a sequel. So instead they are releasing the truer ending and final stuff that would have been used as dlc!|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (164) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 7:27 p.m.|
|It's not just what autocorrect gives me. Notice the uppercase letters!|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (160) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 7:18 p.m.|
|I could torpedo kotaku for even casual readers but I won't go there.|
Totilo has been great but you're on point Todd. The way they do things and throw their weight around is sleezy and dickish. I know a lot of stories.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (155) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 6:54 p.m.|
|for digital on a console i have to agree with you brun. it makes no sense to me that games on the psn cost full retail when a disc based copy is a fraction of the price. it's just dumb and i have a feeling we'll see microsoft and sony just continuing to do things instead of trying to make things user friendly and having regular sells.|
hell, some psp stuff still costs like $30/40 though i can't name an example off the top of my head. i saw it when i was looking at the store earlier this week to download journey and see what new stuff i get for being a PS+ user.
i would welcome, with open arms, a steam-like system. i would love to see sony continue working with valve like they did with portal 2. sadly i doubt it'll happen. because of that i prefer hard copies of games to digital releases for the foreseeable future.
(i do not play pc games.)
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (152) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 6:45 p.m.|
|even though i don't endorse kotaku (though they have cleaned up a lot with totilo as the editor in chief) i want to link to a very well put post.|
check out the first comment to this article: http://kotaku.com/5897180/five-reasons-a-world-without-used-games-might-not-be-so-bad
shinta brings up a ton of good points that i didn't think of. as much as i would love a consolized version of steam as the psn (or xbox live) hub of the future it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see it.
|Survivor: One World Topic *SPOILERS* (72) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 5:55 p.m.|
|kim is basically going to cruise to a million bucks. anticlimatic.|
|Survivor: One World Topic *SPOILERS* (69) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 5:50 p.m.|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (150) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 5:26 p.m.|
|i didn't think of the pc comparison since i don't play it but you're right. each of the major studios (sony, paramount, blah blah blah) could have their own independent hub. if not them the each of the hardware manufacturers (sony, samsung, blah blah blah). |
honestly, steam has done an excellent job and i commend valve for what they have done. they managed to make headway and make pc gaming legitimate again after it was just piracy story after piracy story. sure that still happens but it's not nearly as rampant or at the forefront as it was a few years ago. then again i say that knowing that mass effect 2 was the fourth most pirated game of all time.
of course this is all speculation. i just can't help but think the major motion picture companies would see gaming companies eliminating second hand sales and want to get their own share of it too. of course they'll let the gaming industry feel things out and fall on the sword if need be.
but if, big if, the way that sony and microsoft go is a steam-like storefront with regular sales, fantastic support, and an amazing interface then honestly i wouldn't mind nearly as much as i would otherwise. i don't like the idea of not owning my stuff physically since i'm weird and like having a shelf of dvds/games but i could use that space for something else i guess!
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (148) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 5:01 p.m.|
|if you say so, dynasty. all of those mediums are far older and established. the game industry is still in its infancy by comparison.|
that said, if this succeeds i would not at all be surprised if dvds went the same way. textbooks now come with online passes to access chapters or extra materials that were at one time free with just the isbn. digital albums now have some exclusive songs for preordering on itunes. it's only a matter of time before you see things like director commentary, alternate scenes, and even bloopers locked behind a one time use code. hell, there's already drm in things like ultraviolet. you have to be online to access your digital movie locker or whatever. it's basically the same concepts dressed up.
so if sony or microsoft pull this off and it works, especially sony, it's likely blu-ray dvds end up the same way. it'll be up to consumers to either bend over and take it or stop supporting them. spoiler alert, the masses will still go to best buy every tuesday like sheep to get the latest pixar movie or the newest season of game of thrones even if they are tied to a single account and unable to take them to friend's houses for movie night.
not saying there won't be outrage. not saying that a lot of people will go without, find alternate means, or even turn to piracy. i'm just telling you the way it's going to be if a major manufacturer goes full steam ahead and that most people just won't care enough to do anything to stop it.
e: there's a very good reason that blu rays players are online enabled and require firmware updates whereas old dvd players and vcrs did not.
e2: and while it would be a hassle to adopt, if the game industry doesn't lose significant profits, and i'm talking 30-40% of their userbases, i stand behind what i said. the movie industry has enough power to gather all of the hardware manufacturers in a room and force them to make a sort of universal account so that it follows you from one player to the next.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (146) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 3:19 p.m.|
|well you can't really compare the game industry to music or movies. when a movie or album is released that is pretty much the end of its life. sure it can be remastered years down the road but for the most part it's complete. |
when a game is released you have downloadable content, extras, and all sorts of other stuff. you can play dvds and cds on any platform. games are tied to specific boxes by manufacturers. you don't see a cd or movie getting rereleased six months later ala marvel vs capcom 3 and ultimate marvel vs capcom 3.
i mean i get the parallel but that's using a bit too broad of a brush.
if all of the manufacturers went this route for the next set of consoles then it's highly likely that there would be some initial backlash and then inevitable acceptance for a majority. they may lose, let's say 10-15% of the base (a conservative guess, could get into the 20s), but that's minor. think about the people you know who just buy things like madden and call of duty every year. they will likely shell out whatever is necessary to keep playing those games on a yearly basis.
if, let's say sony goes this route and microsoft does not, you'd get an interesting clash. developers and publishers would flock to the playstation for the added peace of mind and security. gamers would flock to the next xbox because the overwhelming majority of them play and deal with used games. so it would be a showdown of sorts to see if consumers would break to temptation.
while i know many of you wouldn't i have a tough time thinking the average gamefaqs user or message board poster who doesn't have to pay for their own console and has their mom and dad do it would be able to. especially if there was an exclusive call of duty game or something crazy like that.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (144) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 2:44 p.m.|
|i don't know of any instances where gamestop has printed out online passes. i know they have for preorder dlc and things like that, including kfcb's example of arkham city, but nothing like the online pass for madden or something.|
also, robert, i have a copy of the ultimate sith edition. i tracked down a copy at a local toys r us that was hidden under and behind everything.
also i agree hm. amazon warehouse deals are amazing and the main reason i get a lot of games.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (138) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 12:20 p.m.|
|gamestop charged $55 for amalur because the online pass was not a traditional one. that would take the count to $5 extra. that was a case of ea "winning" the battle against gamestop. so in that case it's better to buy new, which is a win for the devs.|
as i said, i have done way, way, way too much research into the used games field and online passes. i have talked to more people than i can even count and conducted more interviews on skype than i probably ever will again for my grad assignment.
let me say that i hate, nay, i loathe opening up a box nowadays and seeing 3 or 4 codes in a box for stuff that i need to download. twisted metal is an example of this. it came with the online pass, a sweet tooth skin for starhawk, and a code for twisted metal black. sure it could be said that's just added value and a reward for buying the first print brand new but i just really hate the idea of not being able to put a game in and play (or install nowdays lulz).
further, it's devs and publisher's faults for coddling gamestop all of these years. i single them out but best buy and amazon also have (better) used game sales and practices. anyway, they send free consoles/games and show up at the annual gamestop employee expo and say how great gamestop is, how the industry needs gamestop, why gamestop is the beacon of shining light. you know, pumping their tires. then when they see the profit numbers they get pissed off even though it's glaringly obvious to anyone with a brain. how many times have you gone into gamestop, get to the register, and the employee says "hey we have a used copy for a couple of bucks less, would you like that?" maybe not so much anymore but you get my point.
i think it's laughable that sony, microsoft, and nintendo want to kill the used games industry so badly when they stood idly by and let it become what it has. like df93, i deal a lot with used games. i trade stuff online a lot. i use sites like goozex or the game trading thread on somethingawful. hell, if there was a trade topic here i would probably use it.
i guess if i had a point to nail home about online passes it would be this: where does it end? i talked to a lot of developers about this and some journalists. all of them agree that online passes work to an extent. one of the pr people i spoke to actually said that they have explored locks on other disc based content, wouldn't tell me what, because online passes aren't working "well enough to encourage early adoption of a title in that first two weeks."
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (136) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:58 a.m.|
|df93 - our prices are the same.|
hm - it's likely but i have no idea at the moment. sony will probably have a mapped out plan from the orbis onward (same goes for the next xbox) but i can't tell you what that is. i also don't know if that impacts things currently from ps3 -> orbis.
phoenix - i see what you're saying about online passes and i agree about not liking them. it's just that online passes have evolved into something drastically different now. lock me out of playing multiplayer, sure, whatever. but to lock me out of stuff like what you see in amalur? that's not cool at all.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (130) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:37 a.m.|
Also, the used game thing that a lot of companies are doing is stupid, I mean I shouldn't be penalized for buying a used game, I'd say at least 40% of my games are used because I either wait on a price drop or I for some reason get an interest in trying out said game.
What's really the difference between a used game and a game I'm borrowing from a friend anyways? Gone is that feature of borrowing games from friends because a game company feels you need to register your game to get full access to content because you didn't pay full price or in my case, are borrowing it.
New games are generally $60.00 while that same game used is $54.00, but yet full online access is $10.00 should you download the access feature.
the idea of sharing games with friends is a major reason that the manufacturers are hesitant to go nuclear on the used market. if you go for the throat on used sales you'll have a TON of other things caught in the same net.
i'm just playing devil's advocate and telling you why companies like sony, microsoft, or nintendo would do this. developers have throw hissy fits, for good reason, over what places like gamestop do. it kills these guys to walk into gamestop and see 10-15 copies of their newly released title sitting on the shelf and that no one is buying new copies. you could say this means they should produce things at a better quality or whatever but every used sale gamestop makes is put profit. they don't have to split that up with anyone. this leads to developer closings, layoffs, and other unfortunate things.
on the flip side, it's unfair to put in things like online passes, day one dlc, pre-order dlc, dlc on discs, etc. i know it's a developer's right to do so but i don't like being charged 5-15 for stuff that is literally on my disc or if i didn't preorder with the specific company. nothing pisses me off more than to see stuff like single player missions/weapons/etc being split up between walmart, amazon, best buy, and gamestop and then to later find out it'll cost me an extra $2 a pop to get a "complete" game.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (128) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:26 a.m.|
I would much much much rather have a cheaper system than BC. But that used games thing is ****ing ridiculous.
blame developers and places like gamestop. when a game is bought used a dev doesn't see a penny of it. i actually wrote an investigative piece on this for grad school and found out some fascinating stuff. i'd post it here but i'm not too keen to post something like that on an internet forum.
just put yourself in a game maker's shoes and read this: http://www.1up.com/news/gamestop-report-reveals-profit-margins
gamestop's entire business model is based on used sales. that's who devs and publishers are aiming for because they want used sales to be new sales. an unfortunate casualty of this will be people who like to rent but the tension between the game makers and the used market has been building for years
One of the main selling points in me buying a PlayStation 3 was because it was backwards compatible. I can say that I haven't really utilized that feature like I thought I would since I got my PS3 as those games are kind of hard to go back to when you're so used to a certain aesthetic of games.
I'm all for systems giving you that option of playing the last generation of games, but it would also be nice if they set themselves up for it by letting you punch in some kind of code where you could re-download a game you previously bought so you can have it on your hard drive digitally as well.
this is something that we may see, but again, why would they for hard copies of games? people could rush out and buy used titles, pop them in, get the voucher, and return them. only digital games will be safe and i don't even know how that's going to work for the 720, ps4, or wii u.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (126) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:20 a.m.|
I like backwards compatibility, because I don't like to have too many game systems hanging out. I put my PS1 in a closet and haven't touched it since I got my PS2, because the backwards compatibility between the two is pretty outstanding.
I know it would be a logistical nightmare, but if it were possible to have a console that could play PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 games with full compatibility, I would want that.
i definitely agree with you here.
from sony's end, though, you have to wonder why they would do it. they could repackage and ship out the uncharted trilogy in 3d and whatever new resolution they are able to get for little to no extra cost. same goes for the other console makers. sure, they'd take some short term heat from message board posters/angry consumers and their initial sales may suffer. however, they can just wait it out like they did this generation. same goes for microsoft and nintendo.
just think about all of those hd collections and the digital releases that people shell out money for. you can sell the same game to someone twice or put in backwards compatibility, which makes more financial sense?
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (122) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:12 a.m.|
WHERES THE STEAMBOX HUH YOU SAID IT'D BE HERE
that was my mistake. i don't cover pc stuff but when i asked around people said they were getting stuff from valve for a potential console. it turned out to be for that big picture thing that they're doing instead.
we still may see something of some sort but i honestly don't know at this point. the verge, kotaku, and many other bigger sites with far better leads and sources ran with it so it's a bit confusing to me. valve is either really good at getting people to hush or that was a heavily supported rumor that just never came to fruition.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (120) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 11:08 a.m.|
|i should also note there's a fair chance that we see another playstation cycle like this past one. many users nowadays do not use backwards compatibility because the ps3's library is so strong. it may be that if you want to play your ps3 games on the ps4 you'll have to grab it near launch.|
sony's opinions on backwards compatibility have constantly changed this generation along with the other major console manufacturers. sales of xbox and ps2 games on the xbox live arcade/psn aren't as high as most expected. but given the firestorm that was the first 18 months or so the ps3's life it's tough for them to just completely drop it. the ps3 is still playing catchup though it arguably has the strongest library (in my opinion though sales are obviously in the 360's favor and lol wii) and free online (a huge bonus compared to paying for live or putting up with friend codes on the wii).
i guess what i'm trying to say is that i really hope sony doesn't do it but the market has indicated that people don't care as much about playing old games after a console gets into its second year of life. plus, if they launch the damn thing with the newest call of duty most people won't care. it's sad because there are plenty of ps3 games i want to continue to play and while i don't want to endorse sony's decision on removing it (if they do) i may have to buy the damn thing so i can keep doing my work.
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (116) | Posted on March 28, 2012, 10:58 a.m.|
|most of those rumors aren't true. they have considered a lot of stuff there but most of it is just that: ideas tossed around. sony is waiting to see what microsoft does with the used market because they're not too comfortable at the moment (this could change) going out on their own to try and squash gamestop/used sales in general.|
the backwards compatibility is something they know gamers want. it killed the second line of ps3s and people still buy 60GB consoles today for ps2 games. it's expensive and their idea is based around the whole "oh most people own a ps3 already who would buy a ps4" but that's just not true. most people would trade in their ps3s for ps4s (myself included).
kotaku was spoon fed (along with other outlets) information to kind of test the waters. they're gauging reaction.
|Colts not for sure taking Luck (3) | Posted on March 27, 2012, 4:35 p.m.|
|why would the redskins be squeezed into anything? they will just draft whatever guy indy doesn't get. it's not like they'd cry if they got luck instead of rg3.|
though that won't happen.
|Conversation Topic XX: Wherein I make a terrible title. (435) | Posted on March 27, 2012, 10:18 a.m.|
|well it depends if that is a lester start. lester in may is the worst. well, maybe aceves starting will overtake that title.|
|brad stevens could be on the move to illinois (11) | Posted on March 25, 2012, 6:12 p.m.|
|and now we have closure|
|A 500 post discussion on video gaming. (31) | Posted on March 25, 2012, 3:37 p.m.|
|finally got into an online game of operation raccoon city|
game is a lot of fun.
|brad stevens could be on the move to illinois (10) | Posted on March 25, 2012, 2:41 p.m.|
|brad stevens could be on the move to illinois (8) | Posted on March 23, 2012, 5:33 p.m.|
|nothing would make me happier than this leading to more illinois disappointment but it's not like we can expect him to be like "yes i was on the phone with their AD ten minutes ago" or something.|
and also if mason and vcu go to that will suck hard. the caa would basically be old dominion, drexel, and delaware at that point. yikes.
|[Bad Pun] Video Game Topic (490) | Posted on March 23, 2012, 5:21 p.m.|
|i really truly hope that sony isn't shutting down zipper interactive. i know the socom franchise has been garbage since socom ii but mag was one of my favorite games this gen. it also had a playerbase that lasted about 50x longer than anyone could have predicted.|
|So I can change my username? (20) | Posted on March 23, 2012, 12:47 p.m.|
|as much as i hate my username it just couldn't be the same if i changed it now.|
|brad stevens could be on the move to illinois (3) | Posted on March 23, 2012, 12:46 p.m.|
|yeah i figured someone would post something like that. to be honest i hope that he turns them down like shaka did because tbw does not deserve nice things.|
but hey, i bring the news to you, one of my favorite sports discussion communities.
|brad stevens could be on the move to illinois (1) | Posted on March 23, 2012, 12:43 p.m.|
it's locked behind a pay gate but basically it breaks down like this.
dan bernstein says that stevens would be interested if he got the same offer that smart did.
illinois rivals guys are saying that there's a lot of truth to it.
could this be the big splash illinois is looking for? could it end up in another lolfest? find out in a week or two!
|shady mccoy guarantees championship for the dream team (15) | Posted on March 22, 2012, 12:19 p.m.|
|well it's different when the eagles had to go through an entire season of dream team nonsense and now mccoy may be damning them to round two of it.|
i mean that dj steve or whatever the hell his name is on espn even made a terrible song about it.
|Illinois offering Shaka Tom izzo money (20) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 6:16 p.m.|
|i said it on other forums and stuff but by turning this offer down it's obvious shaka won't leave vcu unless it's for a particular job (if at all). i don't know what that is.|
i hazarded a guess on another site so i'll throw it out here: he's from madison, wisconsin. maybe he is waiting for bo ryan to move on and head home?
|*slits wrists* Tebow to the Jets. (91) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 6 p.m.|
|the best day.|
|Survivor: One World Topic *SPOILERS* (58) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 5:39 p.m.|
|AHAHAHAHAH HE IS KEEPING THE IDOL|
|Survivor: One World Topic *SPOILERS* (57) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 5:38 p.m.|
|greatest thing ever|
|Trayvon Martin (13) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 4:51 p.m.|
|yeah i could use some cheap suits.|
|[Bad Pun] Video Game Topic (463) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 3:26 p.m.|
|a day later, i am starting to get a better grasp of how i feel about operation raccoon city.|
it is a broken, glitchy game that was obviously rushed. they also didn't playtest this game as much as they should and the quality is abysmal.
i am having a lot of fun with the co-op and the online is pretty addicting. it is frustrating to wait on players to show up (since there's no drop in/drop out) to start a mission but i can look past that. the fact that the heroes are playable as perks or whatever is also nice.
i can say i am genuinely enjoying this middling game and find myself constantly rolling my eyes/mumbling under my breath at the ai and bugs. i would say that you could do worse for $20 or so but obviously it's not a full price title. i don't know what the online will be like in a few when the game goes down in price but there you go.
i got the special edition for no extra cost and the guns you get there are amazing. the cowboy shotgun is fantastic and the other weapons are very useful.
|*slits wrists* Tebow to the Jets. (65) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 1:26 p.m.|
From: luburulz | #063
i just don't understand why tebow has that clause in the first place.
Hello, my name is Josh McDaniels. Let me tell you about stupid things I do.
at least he's a good offensive coordinator.
|*slits wrists* Tebow to the Jets. (63) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 1:01 p.m.|
|i just don't understand why tebow has that clause in the first place.|
|shady mccoy guarantees championship for the dream team (1) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 12:49 p.m.|
worked perfectly last year
|*slits wrists* Tebow to the Jets. (60) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 12:45 p.m.|
|Only Gators .com ‏ @onlygators|
ESPN's Wendi Nix reports that sources say Tim Tebow asked John Elway to make trading him to Jacksonville a priority.
|lawfirm to the bengals (1) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 12:24 p.m.|
|god speed buddy. :(|
|Illinois offering Shaka Tom izzo money (13) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 10:53 a.m.|
|shaka officially turned down illinois|
|*slits wrists* Tebow to the Jets. (4) | Posted on March 21, 2012, 9:52 a.m.|
|marioinblack's 6th Annual NIT Contest (64) | Posted on March 20, 2012, 7:21 p.m.|
|both of them combined aren't as big as Drexel. And Temple is like 3x drexel's size. |
I don't want drexel to move and doubt they will but it is being discussed.
|Illinois offering Shaka Tom izzo money (4) | Posted on March 20, 2012, 7:09 p.m.|
|marioinblack's 6th Annual NIT Contest (62) | Posted on March 20, 2012, 7:08 p.m.|
|Gotta replace Philly with Philly.|
|Illinois offering Shaka Tom izzo money (2) | Posted on March 20, 2012, 6:43 p.m.|
|FYI that's like 3 mil a year|